“Monday Math Madness” link
Photo by Behdad Esfahbod.
I have been busy with the end of Math Olympiad season and getting ready for the MathCounts state test this weekend, but I wanted to post this link before it’s too late. You have until Sunday evening to send in your answer to the first…
Combinatorics is my weak area, but I gave it a try. How about you?
Edited to add
Since the Monday Math Madness (link is to this week’s answers) will be an ongoing contest, I am adding it to the Blog Parties for Teachers widget in my sidebar.
I will try to get each week’s post linked as soon as possible. With my busy schedule, I often run a day or two behind in updating the widget. As with the blog carnivals, I welcome email reminders from the puzzle contest hosts!
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I submitted an entry for it. It seemed easy, so I can only assumed I missed something in there somewhere.
He wants kid entries, right? I shouldn’t send in a cute adult entry?
Jonathan
Efrique, my answer seemed relatively simple, too. But I always feel like I’m missing something on any combinatorics question. I just wish I knew enough to figure out what I am missing.
Jonathan, I think he just wants any entries. Besides, I am still a struggling student when it comes to probability problems, so I figure I qualify either way. How do you make it cute?
Without answering the question, I see at least 4 approaches:
Find the number of selections that meet the criteria, and divide by the number of selections.
Find the number of selections that don’t meet the criteria, and divide by the number of selections. Subtract from one.
Find the probability of only 1 flavor. Then find the probability of exactly two flavors (do it once, and triple). Subtract these from 1.
Pretend order matters. Find all the different “routes” to get to 5 via at least one of each. Decide that each is equally likely, find all the probabilities, and multiply by the number of routes (I did this, and sent it in).
Pretend order matters. Find the probability of each dead end. Subtract the sum from one.
I think the one I chose is a little cute. It looks massive, then collapses into something small.
Jonathan
A big part of my problem is that I am never quite sure what matters and what doesn’t. In this case, just because each post was assigned to a category at random does not mean that I have an equal chance of reading each category at random. Any blog has a finite number of posts, which means there is a finite chance that one category may be much smaller than the others, or even empty. But I don’t know enough about combinatorics to figure out how to count that factor — at least, not without more information.
The answer is posted. And my answer was wrong; something that I thought shouldn’t matter (the order in which the posts are chosen) actually makes a big difference. As I said, this is my weak area. I can see in retrospect why my answer doesn’t work, but I will probably make the same mistake again the next time. I should stick to the simpler MathCounts-level problems until I master them.
Denise, mine was wrong too. I haven’t yet had time to read over the solution and figure out where I went wrong, though.
Mine was ok, but looked primitive compared to the chosen method. But then, I have to say, a lot of what I do looks primitive. (3n^3)^2? (3nnn)(3nnn). So I go for primitive.
Try a simpler problem. How about 3 types, but only 3 books?
aaa . aab . aac
aba . abb . abc
aca . acb . acc
baa . bab . bac
bba . bbb . bbc
bca . bcb . bcc
caa . cab . cac
cba . cbb . cbc
cca . ccb . ccc
Can you find the 6 good choices? Out of 27?
The 27 is 3×3x3
The 6? The number of ways to rearrange abc.
If you’d like, I’ll help extend this to bigger numbers.
Jonathan
For anyone watching, wordpress changed:
three ex three ex three
by making the first ex into a real multiplication sign.
neat
Your list shows exactly why my approach didn’t work. The order in which the reader picks the posts matters, because it makes some combinations easier to get than others. There is only one way to choose 3 a’s, but there are three different ways to get 2 a’s and 1 b.
I am so glad you reminded me of Math Counts! I had forgotten about that since my kids did it. What a great program it is!
Denise and others,
I’m sorry that I missed this whole conversation. Between some paid writing projects and life I’ve not been tending to WAM! or to the Math blog community as much as I’d like.
I’m delighted that there is discussion over this problem – it’s a fun one and tricky as well in terms of knowing how to count things.
The next problem at Blinkdagger will probably have more of a logic bent to it. It’s not been decided for sure what their next problem is but the Blinkdagger guys like logic problems.
My next problem, the first Monday of April, won’t be a combinatorics one. It’ll be a simple and elegant one to state but one that I’ve not seen an elegant solution to. Fortunately, elegance is not a requirement for winning!
Thanks, Denise, for plugging the contest.